Comments on: Movements http://bevear.org/2008/12/movements/ Nathan's blog Wed, 08 Sep 2010 01:42:14 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Dan http://bevear.org/2008/12/movements/#comment-522 Dan Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:34:53 +0000 http://bevear.org/?p=83#comment-522 William Wilberforce was tenacious, wasn't he. William Wilberforce was tenacious, wasn’t he.

]]> By: Nato http://bevear.org/2008/12/movements/#comment-517 Nato Thu, 11 Dec 2008 22:59:18 +0000 http://bevear.org/?p=83#comment-517 Matt, yeah, a corporation would be a good example of a movement (of sorts) losing it's soul, becoming evil as it gets institutionalized. [Though I'm not sure I agree with you over the origins of corporations, I'd say they were probably organized to be ongoing, like a bridge building company, but that's beside the point]. It would be nice to have movements like that huh? I'm reminded of facebook groups, where they aim to get so many people for or against something, and once they meet that aim, the group initiators don't say "yay! we did it", but they often try and bend the aims of the group, and keep it going. I guess the temptation is that people don't want to let go of what they have? I guess people don't like to relinquish things. Once a goal is achieved, people don't want to give up on the fellowship and power that they had as a group? It would be a bit of a let down, an anticlimax. Dan, yes, probably :P the anti-slavery movement pops into mind. I wonder what happened to that after the abolition of slavery? Matt,
yeah, a corporation would be a good example of a movement (of sorts) losing it’s soul, becoming evil as it gets institutionalized. [Though I'm not sure I agree with you over the origins of corporations, I'd say they were probably organized to be ongoing, like a bridge building company, but that's beside the point].

It would be nice to have movements like that huh? I’m reminded of facebook groups, where they aim to get so many people for or against something, and once they meet that aim, the group initiators don’t say “yay! we did it”, but they often try and bend the aims of the group, and keep it going. I guess the temptation is that people don’t want to let go of what they have? I guess people don’t like to relinquish things. Once a goal is achieved, people don’t want to give up on the fellowship and power that they had as a group? It would be a bit of a let down, an anticlimax.

Dan,
yes, probably :P
the anti-slavery movement pops into mind. I wonder what happened to that after the abolition of slavery?

]]> By: Dan http://bevear.org/2008/12/movements/#comment-516 Dan Thu, 11 Dec 2008 10:41:59 +0000 http://bevear.org/?p=83#comment-516 Are there any examples of successful movements, i.e. ones that have held to their founding principles/vision/direction and have made a difference? Are there any examples of successful movements, i.e. ones that have held to their founding principles/vision/direction and have made a difference?

]]> By: Matt http://bevear.org/2008/12/movements/#comment-513 Matt Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:42:36 +0000 http://bevear.org/?p=83#comment-513 It's kinda similar to modern corporations, huh? Like, they originally were just a bunch of people who had come together for a common goal, for example building a bridge, and once the goal was complete they'd dissolve. But modern corporations exist for their own sake, and as a result become these homicidal sociopath entities. Maybe "movements" should have (1) concrete, outward goals and (2) an expiry date? I like the idea of joining a group for a particular time, to see some goal fulfilled. It’s kinda similar to modern corporations, huh? Like, they originally were just a bunch of people who had come together for a common goal, for example building a bridge, and once the goal was complete they’d dissolve.

But modern corporations exist for their own sake, and as a result become these homicidal sociopath entities.

Maybe “movements” should have (1) concrete, outward goals and (2) an expiry date? I like the idea of joining a group for a particular time, to see some goal fulfilled.

]]> By: Nato http://bevear.org/2008/12/movements/#comment-512 Nato Tue, 09 Dec 2008 21:51:11 +0000 http://bevear.org/?p=83#comment-512 I always have more thoughts after posting. I think my main issues are when a movement becomes an institution (and the associated inefficiency, and the pressure to maintain the institution above other things), and the gradual drift of a movement / institution over time towards pointlessness, or worse (unless there's the equivalent of a revival in the movement). Yes. Better. I always have more thoughts after posting. I think my main issues are when a movement becomes an institution (and the associated inefficiency, and the pressure to maintain the institution above other things), and the gradual drift of a movement / institution over time towards pointlessness, or worse (unless there’s the equivalent of a revival in the movement).

Yes. Better.

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